Marijanel (00:02):
It's that warm holiday season. Christmas is right around the corner. And here at the Bold Artist Podcast, we're just starting to break out our holiday hobbies. Did you see what just happened there? Charla does not like the word hobby. That's right here on the Bold Artist Podcast. We're gonna be talking about the new dirty word, which is hobby, and, and why Charla feels this little trigger, um, whenever she hears the word hobby.
Charla (00:30):
Now, why you now need a disclaimer, when you say the word hobby at Bold School.
Marijanel (00:35):
Yes. And in general, and, um, let me give you a little bit of, uh, backstory on how we've come to this episode to talk about hobby. It got started when we were, we were sharing with each other what we were pulling out for the Christmas season. We're both excited to kind of pull out those little things we do at Christmas time that give us joy. I mean, there's usually a puzzle going on on our dining room table. I, I usually have some kind of craft. A lot of times I'll make ornaments for the tree. I remember last year I did ornaments where, um, people's pictures were on the inside. And Charla, she can tell all about her Christmas hobbies, but she has some amazing hobbies. Uh, you would've seen one of them in our gift list show where I showed you something that she gifted me that's exquisite and very precious, and that is a hobby. But because of our pursuit in the fine arts, because here at Bold School, we are all about, well, big focus here at, at Bold School is becoming pro and honing our skills and getting good. Um, and, and as instructors, we're teaching students to really refine their skills. We have this serious side, this side of us that takes our talent very seriously. We care very much about the process and the outcome that sometimes the word hobby feels like you don't take something seriously enough.
Charla (02:09):
So much that I Googled hobby and looked for words to replace it. And none of them really work the same.
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Marijanel - No.
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Charla - There's not one word that describes hobby the same. I'm like, maybe oBold School can have its own word for hobby, so I don't have to hear it.
Marijanel (02:23):
Yeah. Well, well, and there's still yet another part of this story because I, um, I have a personal memoir cast where I share on a podcast stories of my life. And back in September I had a mini-series about hobby. And one of the titles was called, um, it was called The New Dirty Word. And I was explaining why it feels like hobby's a dirty word because everything we're bombarded with in the messaging of social media and business tips is all about hustling. And if you have a hobby, you gotta turn it into hustle, otherwise you're not serious enough or good enough. And so I was, I was demystifying hobby for myself or, or unveiling how I truly felt. And for me, personally, I need to have a hobby. And I believe that if I turn something to a hustle, I get a new hobby. And I shared,
Charla (03:18):
Yeah. See, sorry. No, you, you finish.
Marijanel (03:20):
Well, I was gonna say, I shared that with Charla and it was like, really, like hobby is a good thing,? And I said, Yeah.
Charla (03:29):
But I think of it, I, cuz I wrote in our notes as we were, uh, planning this podcast, this, this talk that I view hobby as dirty word. And she's like, You, I can't believe you wrote that down, because that's what I named my actual podcast show. Hobbies, the new dirty word. But I didn't see it as a dirty word for the same reason.
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Marijanel - Right.
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Charla - I looked at it as a dirty word, and I think you are absolutely right. That is so true. And I think why many people would use it as a dirty word, I viewed it as a dirty word from long ago when painting was a hobby.
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Marijanel - Okay
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Charla - And whenever painting was only really good for being a hobby, you know, that people didn't take painting seriously or the visual art seriously. Or really many arts seriously. And if I, when I made the decision to become a pro painter of faces, fine artists, then people just, they had a really hard time with it. And when I said I want was gonna be a painter, they couldn't wrap their mind around it so much that people would actually say, Are you gonna paint houses or walls or what are you painting?
Marijanel (04:32):
Right. And, and don't, isn't it like somewhat offensive when someone says, Oh, that's nice that you have a hobby.
Charla (04:39):
Yeah, Yeah. That's what they think.
Marijanel (04:40):
And like it's not a, a hobby.
Charla (04:42):
Yeah. Well, like you take this hobby seriously, look at this studio that you have. People will still, when they come into our house, like, who's a painter? Is this your hobby?
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Marijanel - Yeah.
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Charla - But that has changed. That has definitely changed in the last few years, which has made me happy that, and I think social media has changed that for positive because they want you to turn your hobbies into hustles. And that's a, um, acceptable thing to do now. And people are, um, like proud of you if you do it, or I don't know what the right word is, but I, and I'd never really considered the idea that hobbies was becoming a dirty word for a whole different reason. Almost the opposite reason. Because now if you have a hobby, and I, I'm guilty of thinking this towards people, if you have a hobby, why aren't you turning it into a hustle?
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Especially if you know you're a stay at home mom, or, and I I, that's the, that comes out very wrong. But if you're a stay at home mom that your kids are in school, and you don't maybe have a job ,and you're looking for something to do, I have friends in that stage. My first intention is always , what's your hobby? Turn it into a hustle. And that's not bad, but it's creating, like you're saying, it's creating a culture where hobby becomes a dirty word. And it's a different way than than why I hated the word hobby.
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Marijanel - Right.
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Charla - So you enlightened me, and your podcast enlightened me, and really gave me some aha moments to my own processes. It's, it's given me permission to have a hobby. People take me serious now as a painter. So, I guess that helps. But it gives me permission to have a hobby. But what I found really interesting is though I've had that enlightenment, we created this podcast based on the word hobby. And I was really excited, and almost a little bit proud of myself to be able to talk about it in a good positive way. But as soon as you said hobby live on the show, I was like, ugh. Like...
Marijanel (06:35):
You were like, Oh, I don't like that word. She just gave
Charla (06:38):
Talking about it.
Marijanel (06:38):
a cringe.
Charla (06:39):
People are gonna hear me say hobby in real life. You know, like, I, so I still have a little maybe therapy I need, but
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Marijanel - Yeah,
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Charla - You're here to mentor me through this.
Marijanel (06:49):
Right.
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Charla - That's what the show's about.
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Marijanel - And so, so the mentor side of Marijanel has, I have actually been tuned in for a while now. I've tuned in to some of the things that Charla has said of how she's feeling about art
Charla (07:03):
To my therapeutic needs
Marijanel (07:05):
Being, being burned out in business. And I have said to her on multiple occasions, being careful not to use the word hobby, 'cuz I know she doesn't care for that word. Um, I've said, Do you have something else that you're doing to express your joy to doing your leisure time? And so you all who followed along here on the Bold Artist Podcast, you might have seen the transition, the transformation because, uh, oh, several months back, um, Charla opened her heart to sketch booking and then discovered topic markers. And she's begun, I'm not even gonna use the H word, but she's begun a, you know what, and guess what's happening? Charla's not as burned out anymore. Maybe, you know, sometimes depends on how, you know, how many times I bother her in a day. But, um, but there has been this new joy, this new spark, this new step in her, like in her let Yeah.
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Just a light, a lightened load. And I think it's coming from the, the downtime of a hobby. And, and so the way I like to see it is like hobby is meant to be separate from our work. It's like, if you look at the history of it, and I share this on my memoir cast, but if you look at the history of it, it's like it came to be as something that you could be productive and be expressive. Hobbies could be sports, arts and crafts, baking, cooking. Like if you look on, on the internet for lists of hobbies, it's amazing what, like, the list of hobbies are, like, endless. Um, but they're, they're meant to be something productive. But to be outside of your, your income, like your vocation on purpose so that you have something separate from work to go and express and explore and be productive in.
Charla (09:03):
Yeah. And the, the definition says in one's leisure time, for pleasure.
Marijanel (09:07):
Yeah. For pleasure.
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Charla- That's the definition.
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Marijanel - Yes. And so that, that makes me be of the mindset, which, you know, I've said, I've said everywhere, really. it's just start, what I'm starting to preach from the rooftop is that if you have a hobby that you turn to hustle, that's awesome. But get a new hobby. And so always
Charla (09:28):
Yeah, and there's so much freedom in that.
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Marijanel - I know.
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Charla - So much freedom in that line. That is a Marijanel original. It's amazing. Yeah.
Marijanel (09:35):
Get a new hobby.
Charla (09:35):
Needs to go viral.
Marijanel (09:36):
Yeah. Go viral everyone. Get a new hobby. Um, but you know, it's, uh, how does this tie into Christmas? How does this tie into Bold School? I think because we did an entire series in our summer session on going pro, and Charla and I are all about going pro. We are, we are so focused on, you know, how to develop our skills. I'm, I'm pretty, we've talked about productivity. Um, we were talking about, like, the most productive times of our day to get things done and to like, um, be be on point in the studio. Like, we talk that way intentionally to grow ourselves into more skilled and and mature artists. I don't know why I use the word mature, but, but just to season our souls as an artist to be really intentional that way. But here's the thing is that that can be, that can lead to burnout mm-hmm. And, um, that is, that
Charla (10:35):
That does lead to burnout. It's, it's, it will lead to burnout.
Marijanel (10:38):
It will lead to burnout. If that's, if there's nothing that you're doing for leisure. And then some, some people will travel for leisure, some will relax in a lawn chair at a campground or in a beach chair on a beach. Like, there's different forms of leisure. But I found personally that I am highly rewarded from productive leisure. Leisure where at the end of an afternoon I can look and see a row of canned salsa or a, um, not that I can that much salsa.
Charla (11:14):
It feels really good though, when... I can once in a while, and it's a really good feeling.
Marijanel (11:19):
Yeah. And just, um, just something that I've produced from my time. And one afternoon I had the afternoon off, like one Sunday and it, it was just like, I need to bake pretzels or learn how to make pretzels. I had never made pretzels in my life. And I Googled on, or like searched on YouTube, and this video came up. and I thought I could do that. I have flour and yeast
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Charla - You sent you me pictures.
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Marijanel - I sent you pictures and I made,
Charla (11:44):
But no pretzels.
Marijanel (11:45):
It was, it was random, but it was so fun and everyone loved eating them. And I might never make pretzels again, but I needed to produce and explore and experiment. And do you know what happened is the next day in the studio I was more productive because I, I creatively was satisfied.
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Charla - Ueah.
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Marijanel - And so that pretzel-making adventure was a hobby that I just like, I mean, I guess technically a hobby's probably something that you continue to do.
Charla (12:20):
Well, it's like baking would probably be a hobby. You probably bake things once in a while when you wanna be creative.
Marijanel (12:26):
Exactly. So, um, I just, I guess that I, I can't say or stress enough that the joy of hobby needs to be in our life sprinkled throughout our, we sprinkled even a little every day in order to counterbalance the serious stuff we're pursuing. The work.
Charla (12:50):
Yeah. I think it's one of the things that I've really thought about as I've been thinking through my new, um, understanding of hobby is that, uh, um, a hobby... For everything there is a time, there is a season and a hobby is the same thing. Like, I think I, I would also think of hobby when people would say, Oh, painting is your hobby. And I'm like, No, I've done painting my whole life. I'm gonna paint my whole life. I'm doing it as a professional. It's always been part of, of that aspect of my world and my life. It's not a hobby. And, and I don't look at hobbies as things that you do forever. Like the idea, or it's not that, didn't look at it that way. But I didn't want to start a hobby and have to do it forever.
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Marijanel - Right.
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Charla - I like the, I know.
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And I, I, I feel like the more I look into it, this is how the majority of people are. You pick up a hobby, you learn something new. You, you do it for a while. You don't necessarily turn it into a hustle, but maybe you move on to something different. For me, I do different things throughout the year. And in the spring, the big reason why I went on this mission to find a new hobby, I didn't know that's what I was looking for. And I picked up markers, the comic markers. But I think I talked to you about this at how and how at Christmas time I have these creative outlets. And at Christmas time I do the needle felting and I make ornaments. And during the winter I'm usually crocheting. I crochet a couple of blankets, whatever I have time for at Christmas time I also paint and I paint Santas and those types of things.
Marijanel (14:25):
Well, I was, I was just gonna say that I, I was just gonna ask you about the Santas, 'cuz you and I had talked when, when all this came out about the new dirty word and I said, Charla, how about if we talk about that on the Bold Artist podcast? You were like, I don't know if I can see that word. Um, we had talked about the fact that sometimes a hobby can be within a scope of, of your professional work, but something that you separate a secret and you said, Aha, that's what my Santas are because I never sell them, or I don't like try to market my Santas, but I paint Santas every Christmas. Yeah. Um,
Charla (15:03):
And, and I didn't even really think about that, that part as a hobby, but it's something that, which is where this whole podcast started because I was like, let's talk about how we can be inspired by the season to make creative, make art or whatever. But my Santas are actually a hobby. I paint small ones, and I, I paint a lot of them usually around Santa or around Santa time, around Christmas time.
Marijanel (15:27):
It is Santa time.
Charla (15:29):
And I have a couple of them here to show. And well, I actually do other Christmas art too, but these are ones, some of, from last year. It's just a bearded guy, but I call him a Santa. And this guy I had out all year because he's not even particularly Christmas. And then last year I had painted this guy, and because he's a hobby and not my actual art, I played with it. And I like put all of these, these beads, I don't know if you can see them. Like, the beads all in the painting for fun. And I was like, maybe I'll do that. I'd never picked up the beads again all year. Now Christmas is here and I'm gonna do that again. And then I did this Santa where I gave him like a bearded mustache. This is what I would consider
Marijanel (16:09):
A beaded mustache. A beaded mustache. A beaded, a bearded mustache could be a new trend.
Charla (16:15):
Ooh, I don't like that.
Marijanel (16:17):
And they, when the beards get long enough, they just twist 'em around
Charla (16:20):
I don't like, that, that feels funny. And then this is like a Christmas tree that I embroidered on like just a little piece of art, like no pressure. But I get to paint and kind of enjoy painting and find some of that, uh, joy that you have in the beginning before it becomes a hustle.
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Marijanel - Yeah.
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Charla - So you can have it within the work that you're doing ,too. I think that that part is beautiful.
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Marijanel - Yeah.
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Charla -So. I had all of these at Christmas probably because I more intentionally create leisure time around Christmas. That's why I'm thinking I have managed to build these into my life at Christmas time because I wanna be with the family. It's dark earlier, you know, the weekends are usually not that they're less busy cause you can have parties, but I like having leisure time and in my leisure time I have to be productive. So I, I get these creative outlets, but when spring comes around, I got nothing. And this year I was just burning out fast and I need, I realized I needed something. I found something, it gave me new life. It changed my mood. It did all of the things.
Marijanel (17:20):
She's meaning the, the Copic markers in the site.
Charla (17:23):
Yeah. The Copic markers. And I look at that now that I found a hobby that wasn't a Christmas hobby. I have Christmas hobbies, but I have no other ones for the rest of the year. So, um, I found a new hobby and it's, it was, it's really, really exciting to know that I can keep finding new hobbies.
Marijanel (17:42):
And you're excelling at it so quickly that I have a feeling it's going to become a Bold School class. This is my prediction.
Charla (17:49):
Oh yeah. It's turning into a hustle real fast.
Marijanel (17:50):
But what mentor Marijanel is gonna say is that as soon as it's a hustle in any way, shape or form, Charla's getting a new hobby if I have anything to say about it.
Charla (17:58):
Yeah. And it is, it's turning into a hustle. I can already feel it because I'm preparing a class. So, every time I get my markers out now I'm like, okay, what to saying to to students, What will I be demonstrating? So I still love it. I mean, I still love painting, too, right. But, um, what I'm foreseeing, cuz I already feel the, the weight of the hustle coming into my sketching and my markers, which is okay, I love that. I love that feeling too. But now I'm going to get a new hobby. So mentor, Mentor Marijanel is going to help me find a new hobby.
Marijanel (18:33):
Yeah. IThat'll be, that'll be the new name
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Kinda like how, um, we call, I don't know if anyone out there even knows this, but we call Liz Magenta Liz because she was a magenta colour on our podcast. Um, but uh, I also wanted to make clear that, um, the hustle part of what we do brings a lot of joy, as well. And I don't want that to be a misunderstanding because I love my work. I know Charla loves her work. and I know that all the students within bold school love the, the serious part of learning and growing a skill. So, it doesn't mean we don't love the hustle.
Charla (19:13):
Yeah.
Marijanel (19:13):
But what happens is that it's, it's like, uh, an athlete that you can only, you can only train so hard before you need that downtime. But in the downtime, if you're wired like we are where you want to still experiment, like, have your hands busy and, and, and have product productivity, you need a hobby. But don't, uh, don't uh, misunderstand that we don't love hustle. 'Cuz I love hustle, and that's why my hobbies turned to hustle.
Charla (19:44):
Yeah. So Marijanel, my mentor.
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Marijanel - Okay.
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Charla - How... I'm gonna put you on the spot now. I don't know if I've ever done this.
Marijanel (19:53):
Ok, I'll take it.
Charla (19:54):
In 49 episodes of the podcast. Can you mentor me in front of all of our Bold School listeners, our bold artist listeners, and tell me how to find a new, a new hobby? 'Cuz as my Copic marker, um, skills turn into a hustle with Bold School, how do I now replace that and find that same excitement and joy in a new hobby? How do I find, or if you're talking to somebody out there who's painting all the time and now it's a hustle and they have no nothing else, how do you find a hobby? What, what is the process, or what do you look for?
Marijanel (20:34):
Well, I actually have three tips. And I'm totally unprepared. I didn't know she was gonna ask me this question.
Charla (20:42):
Three tips, right outta the air.
Marijanel (20:43):
I have three tips, um, hopefully I can remember them how I want to say them. But, um, the first is that you're, you're already on track because you're already starting to think I'm gonna need to replace my Copic marker hobby because it's, it, the weight of that hustle is starting to come. So, you're already on the right track that now you're gonna start observing what gives you joy and what sparks your interest. And I've always said that inspiration is your first clue. So, you've said in past episodes, you've said things that have inspired you that you've never really explored yet. You've said things like, I don't take my glitter art with me when I go camping, but I love it. You've said things like, um, I love drones because I'm so interested in maps. You've said, you've said you love macro lenses, but you haven't really experimented with macro.
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And so, and did you know that they make macro lenses for iPhones? And I know you're thinking of a new iPhone. So, I hear these little things that you're, you've already, you've already expressed and observed things you wanna try. So, that's the number one is to be aware of things you want to try. And just like you said earlier in the show, just because you try it doesn't mean you have to commit to something forever.
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Charla - Yeah. It's just
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Marijanel - You can try things and especially if the investment getting in isn't too expensive. Like, if you can... So one of the tips that I give is to try to observe or go along with someone who's already doing it before you make the investment. So, like, if you're thinking I want to, I wanna take pictures in video with a drone, but it's a, like, a thousand dollar investment that I'm not ready for.
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Look for someone who would let you tag along or, like, take you out on one of their adventures that you can just experience it before you make the investment. So, that's a tip that goes along with like the, the, you know, staying observant. hen one thing to do is consider what lit you up as a child. And I know that sounds silly because none of us really, like, we all wanna leave our childhood behind and be mature and grown up. But for me, when I was a kid I wanted to glue gun everything and glitter everything. And I played with, and I made like dollhouse furniture, and I would cut paper, and I would do all, I was very expressive and creative and those were clues to who I would become. I also say that, um, there was a huge part of my childhood where I was obsessed with the tape recorder and recording myself.
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And I would sit on the stairs of my townhouse, um, as a little kid. My dad has, like, pictures of me and I would preach into the recorder and tell myself stories. What am I doing now in my life? This, it's, it's still who I am. I'm still sitting in front of the microphone and I started practicing when I was five, you know?
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Charla - Yeah.
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Marijanel - But those are clues to who you are to express yourself. So, like, take a journal one day and start writing down, like, what's a, something I made when I was a kid that really I was so proud of and I couldn't wait to show somebody. Or what's something that I always wanted to do when I was a kid? And then those are
Charla (24:09):
I've got one do I made, I made a popup book when I was in grade six and it was, there's just something about pop-up books and there's pop-up book artists that are just spreadable. Like, I'm getting excited.
Marijanel (24:24):
Yeah, you're gonna know what Charla's new hobby will be.
Charla (24:27):
And I still have that book, and my mom even talks about it all the time. Um, it was just so fun, and I've always been so interested. I think that would like feed into my love of architecture, too. I've always been so interested to do it, but I feel like if I was gonna do it, like, it's a lot to learn. It's a big learning curve. And I would want to do it really well.
Marijanel (24:47):
You could start with popup cards 'cuz I do try to tell people, like, start with something that you know you can achieve. 'Cuz if you go into something too big of a hobby with too big of a goal that you can't achieve, you will get discouraged. So, like find yourself something that, like, you can taste it and, and, and get the feel for like, can I accomplish this? And let the hobby grow don't dive into the deep end. But, um, but I think you have lots of clues of what will take over when your cop topic markers turn into bold school classes, and then that joy, if it doesn't spark the same level of joy, like your Copic markers of giving you so much joy that, that becomes the meter of like what your next hobby should be. So as you experiment
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Charla - Yeah.
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Marijanel - If it doesn't bring you that much joy, just be like, okay. It, it's not that. Like, pop-up books aren't gonna do it for me, so I'm gonna dabble with something else. And dabblings a dirty, sometimes seen as a dirty word too. There's actually a really funny quote, I think it's funny, but there's a funny quote by someone famous out there who they asked, they asked him if he has a hobby and he, he said, um, well there was a, a bad an actual dirty word in his sentence. He's like, Do I look like a bleep dabbler? Because dabbler is a, like, he doesn't wanna be known as a dabbler. But, there's actually a lot of, um, there's actually a lot of merit or value that comes from dabbling and experimenting. We kind of have to do that to find ourselves.
Charla (26:23):
We do. Like, even to find our hustle and to find the thing that we love. And in Bold School we talk a lot about your purpose and the message within your art. And this is the kind, this is the exact process as you're saying this process to find your hobby. I'm thinking this is the process that I would tell somebody to find their essence. You know, like, people are like, Well what is it about me? Like, and I, and I say, What's deep in your gut? Like, what's deep down inside your universe that, and one of the things I, because they're like, I don't know, I can't find it. And I say, Well what was the thing when you were a kid that you loved? What was, and what's your finest moment? It might have been three minutes, but what is that your finest moment?
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What were you doing, and what were you talking about where you felt like at one with the universe and people praised you for what you did, You know, what was that finest moment is there's clues in there as to the things that build who you are. And the, the hobby is is slightly different, but it's the same thing.
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Marijanel - Yeah.
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Charla - 'Cause the hustle is gonna be a little bit of a different, it's a hustle. But the hobby can be... just the no pressure aspect of a hobby.
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Marijanel - No.
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Charla - Especially when you already have a hustle. The no pressure aspect and the fact that you can say, 'Cuz right away I was like, popup books, I gotta buy all this stuff. I gotta set up a system. And you're like, but start small. Make a card and if you don't like it, you don't have to do it again.
Marijanel (27:48):
Yeah. If it doesn't bring you joy. Um, and I also want to add a couple more quick things that came to my mind that, uh, what Charla and I are talking about tends to be individual hobbies. Like, those things that we do when we've, like, the house is quiet and you know, like Netflix can be in the background quietly, and you're, you know, but there is a community aspect to ho hobby that is very, very, um, integral part of culture. And uh, we here at Bold School, we promote the Bold School community of this entire online painting space where you can meet like-minded artists and, you know, get advice from the mentors. And that in itself for a lot of the bold, there's, there's students within Bold School who are totally aiming to go pro. And there's others that are hobbying. It's their retirement joy and pleasure to be part of Bold School. But the key I believe is the community, and the community aspect of ho like, I wanna say hobbying and hustling together. Like, it's about being part of something bigger than ourselves. And that is something that I've been thinking a lot about lately. Even in context of Bold School.
Charla (29:05):
I love that. And, um, I think there's, there's hobbies that work for that. And then there's hobbies. C'ause there's hobbies, you wanna, I wanna keep to myself at home when I'm quiet.
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Marijanel - Yeah, me too.
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Charla - But the ho the one thing that I've always, I've said for years now is that I wanna learn how to quilt. And I thought I was pretty determined probably five or six years ago before, um, I developed the idea of Bold School that I was going to learn to quilt. I never thought about the hobby versus hustle culture ideas and, but I recognized the more I talked to people about quilting, and I bought books and I started exploring it and observing it. I was doing that. I realized that this is a lot of work and I like to finish projects.
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Marijanel - Yeah.
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Charla - I'm not gonna be able to have a half-done quilt in my house.
(29:47):
I'm gonna have to finish it, and I'm gonna have to commit to that. And I had, Bold School was developing, so I knew that. And I was painting, I also had painting, my painting career going. I'm like, I'm not gonna be able to develop that right now. I also had three little kids. So, I put it off and I kind of, I, I thought I was putting it off and then I started saying, you know what, I'm just gonna quilt when I retire. Like,
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Marijanel - Yeah.
(30:08):
Charla - Instead of painting when I retire as my hobby, I'm gonna quilt when I retire. But it's, it's a hobby that I definitely want to pick up. I don't want it to become a hustle. Making money off of quilts is a very difficult job because they are time-consuming. So, but, but why I'm even talking about this, I'm totally getting off track, is quilting has this community associated with it that it's like, it's like a,
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Marijanel -Yeah.
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Charla - What do they call it? Like an underground cult community or what, what do they like a move this movement that you don't
(30:41):
You, I remember meeting this guy like 15 years ago and he ran a touring company. Like, he, people would come from all over the world, and he'd ran this, these tours, and I'm like, What is your, what is your the biggest thing that you do? And he's like, I take quilters all over the world. I'm like, You take what all over the world? He's like, I take quilters all over the world. They're my biggest source of income.
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Marijanel - Wow.
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Charla - These ladies, they get together and they bring their sewing machines and their quilts and they travel all over the world. Yes.
Marijanel (31:11):
Wow.
Charla (31:11):
Like, it's insane to me. I still can't even figure it out.
(31:14):
Marijanel - Yeah.
(31:14):
Charla - But it is a massive community. So I'm excited to declare that one day I'm gonna be a quilter and I'm gonna travel the world with other quilters.
Marijanel (31:22):
And you might do it sooner than retirement
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Charla - I might.
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Marijanel - because you might do it for that new hobby in the spring. But just the sum up today show, if you are hustling, burned out, you might want to reconsider the word hobby and what it means to your time of leisure, connecting to some joy and uh, to know that it's not a bad thing to have a hobby or to turn a hobby to a hustle. But if you turn a hobby to a hustle, get a new hobby. That's how I see it.
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Charla - Yeah.
(31:52):
Marijanel - And we would love to have you as part of the Bold School community to, um, join with us in both Hustle and Hobby and to explore the possibilities of painting in bold color. You can find us on our website at boldschool.com, right here on the YouTube channel, and the Bold School YouTube channel. And on Instagram @boldschoolinc. In closing, Charla, I'm gonna play a really quick game of two truths and a lie. What do you think I'm lying about? I'm gonna tell you some of my past hobbies.
Charla (32:24):
Okay. This is gonna be good.
Marijanel (32:26):
I used to be a clown. I used to take belly dancing lessons, and I used to blow glass.
Charla (32:36):
This isn't fair.
Marijanel (32:37):
I used to blow glass. So which one is the lie?
Charla (32:41):
You did them all. You're lying that you didn't do one.
Marijanel (32:43):
Which one of them is a lie. I used to be a clown. I used to take belly dancing lessons and I used to blow glass. Which one is the lie?
Charla (32:53):
I'm pretty sure you were a clown. It just goes along with all the musical production you used to do. This is, this is, this is just like a TV show
Marijanel (33:00):
Which, which one's the lie?
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Charla - They're trying to figure out the answer.
(33:02):
Which one's the lie? I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be editing in some like game gamification
Charla (33:07):
The music. Yeah. Okay. So, I would say you were probably a clown in those days at some point. I mean, I know that you had characters and none of them were clowns, but it just wouldn't surprise me that you were a clown cause you did a lot of children's things. Belly dancing. You've threw me for a loop because I have a story about belly dancing and I'm wondering if I told you that and you're throwing that in there to trick me. But I would totally see you belly dancing and glass-blowing. I haven't heard anything about glassblowing and that's a harder thing to do because you need the right tools. So you may have tried it, but maybe you didn't have that as a hobby. So I'm gonna say glass -blowing?
Marijanel (33:47):
You are correct. I, I've never blown glass, but that is something that I want to do, um, before I leave the planet.
Charla (33:56):
So, let me tell my belly, belly dancing story. 'Cause people might wanna know because I said that. I didn't think about that when I said it, but people,
Marijanel (34:02):
There's gamification music playing right now.
Charla (34:05):
So, now I have to think. So when I was like 23 or something, and I had just moved to Kelowna where I now live the first time around 'cause I moved away again. But when I first moved here, I, I jokingly said at a get-together that I, I was a belly dancer. I don't know, I can't remember why the context, but I do remember saying it. And people, because they didn't know me very well, thought I was telling it was true. I was just telling a story. So, the rumor went around this group 'cuz I was new to the group, that I was a belly dancer and people would start talking about it and asking me questions and all. And took me a long time to figure out that people thought it was a belly dancer. And because that's interesting and different, they would talk amongst themselves about me as a belly dancer. And I had this reputation, and then it, I caught onto it. I'm like, I'm not a belly dancer. I've never taken a belly dancing lesson. No, I think I did do it once at a, at a birthday or something. Maybe that's why I was talking about it. Anyways, I just thought it was the funniest thing 'cuz I think that I am the everything opposite of belly dancing, and I was known for a time as a belly dancer,
Marijanel (35:05):
Just to add to the belly dancing stories. I tweaked my sciatic nerve and I didn't get off the couch for six weeks. So, I am no longer a belly dancer. Thank you for joining us on The Bold Artist Podcast. Until next time, keep having a hobby and keep creating.
